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	<title>Comments on: PMBOK® Guide – Fourth Edition Changes</title>
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		<title>By: Masilamani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masilamani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John &amp; Dana, based on both your comments, I am of the opinion that PMI has had to draw a line between PMBOK as a professional guide or a working guide. The 4th edition, looks like, is a a compromise between the two. I think this is more practical, palatable and internationally applicable&amp; and it has naturally evolved out of the immense interactions mentioned by Dana. Nevertheless, further changes incorporated should take care of our differences or dissatisfactions over time .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &amp; Dana, based on both your comments, I am of the opinion that PMI has had to draw a line between PMBOK as a professional guide or a working guide. The 4th edition, looks like, is a a compromise between the two. I think this is more practical, palatable and internationally applicable&amp; and it has naturally evolved out of the immense interactions mentioned by Dana. Nevertheless, further changes incorporated should take care of our differences or dissatisfactions over time .</p>
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		<title>By: ALEX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALEX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 06:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I download a softcopy of the PMBOK Guide for free? Please show me how.

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I download a softcopy of the PMBOK Guide for free? Please show me how.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir Mehboob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir Mehboob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where Can i Find the PMBOK 4th addition . Looking forward to take the exam this year .

Thanks ,

Amir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where Can i Find the PMBOK 4th addition . Looking forward to take the exam this year .</p>
<p>Thanks ,</p>
<p>Amir</p>
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		<title>By: alifa</title>
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		<dc:creator>alifa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey!

I havn't really gone through the book and neither do i know anything about it.Im an architect and was looking forward to learning project management and getting some form of certification for the same,rather than doing a 2year full time masters degree in it.

would anyone be able to tell me if going through this book would help in my case(for architectural projects).

can anyone help out??please mail me on alfera17@gmail.com if possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey!</p>
<p>I havn&#8217;t really gone through the book and neither do i know anything about it.Im an architect and was looking forward to learning project management and getting some form of certification for the same,rather than doing a 2year full time masters degree in it.</p>
<p>would anyone be able to tell me if going through this book would help in my case(for architectural projects).</p>
<p>can anyone help out??please mail me on <a href="mailto:alfera17@gmail.com">alfera17@gmail.com</a> if possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Dana Goulston, PMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Dana Goulston, PMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;PMBOK still has a long way to go to make it a workable support to real projects.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John, That's pretty funny because that's exactly what I said when I joined the PMBOK Guide, 3rd ed. team in 2002. Each iteration of the PMBOK Guide is a major improvement of the previous, and while I do not agree that ANY version is "badly written", I would say that each is done in the best way possible by those doing the tasks involved in publishing this standard.

When we (the PMBOK Guide, 3rd ed. project core team) started the 3rd edition project, we, the hundreds of contributors, and the entire PM community at large, were well aware of the gaps in the 2nd ed. We worked very hard and diligently for four years ... all the while knowing that it would not be "perfect", and that subsequent versions would continue the philosophy of "continuous improvement". However we were stisfied that we had the opportunity to remedy the deficiencies in the previous edition.

As an example we received hundreds of suggestions. Each and every one was evaluated for merit by several teams. After culling redundant and irrelevant suggestions, the remaining were triaged and reviewed again by increasingly larger teams. Final incorporated suggestions (as well as all changes) were again reviewed by the hundreds of volunteers comprising the dozen or so sub-teams. We (and most of the PM community) were quite proud of the final deliverable. It met many, many needs for practioners and students of the PM arts.

Like you I felt strongly about the quality of the 2nd edition, and quickly volunteered my 2-cents at the earliest opportunity. I would encourage you to do the same as PMI gears up for the 5th edition in the near future.

Best,
Mr. Dana Goulston, PMP
Co-author PMBOK Guide, 3rd edition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>PMBOK still has a long way to go to make it a workable support to real projects.</p></blockquote>
<p>John, That&#8217;s pretty funny because that&#8217;s exactly what I said when I joined the PMBOK Guide, 3rd ed. team in 2002. Each iteration of the PMBOK Guide is a major improvement of the previous, and while I do not agree that ANY version is &#8220;badly written&#8221;, I would say that each is done in the best way possible by those doing the tasks involved in publishing this standard.</p>
<p>When we (the PMBOK Guide, 3rd ed. project core team) started the 3rd edition project, we, the hundreds of contributors, and the entire PM community at large, were well aware of the gaps in the 2nd ed. We worked very hard and diligently for four years &#8230; all the while knowing that it would not be &#8220;perfect&#8221;, and that subsequent versions would continue the philosophy of &#8220;continuous improvement&#8221;. However we were stisfied that we had the opportunity to remedy the deficiencies in the previous edition.</p>
<p>As an example we received hundreds of suggestions. Each and every one was evaluated for merit by several teams. After culling redundant and irrelevant suggestions, the remaining were triaged and reviewed again by increasingly larger teams. Final incorporated suggestions (as well as all changes) were again reviewed by the hundreds of volunteers comprising the dozen or so sub-teams. We (and most of the PM community) were quite proud of the final deliverable. It met many, many needs for practioners and students of the PM arts.</p>
<p>Like you I felt strongly about the quality of the 2nd edition, and quickly volunteered my 2-cents at the earliest opportunity. I would encourage you to do the same as PMI gears up for the 5th edition in the near future.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Mr. Dana Goulston, PMP<br />
Co-author PMBOK Guide, 3rd edition</p>
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		<title>By: usmana anyet</title>
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		<dc:creator>usmana anyet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please specify the complete book name (alongwith writer),coz there are too many helping book with me now..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please specify the complete book name (alongwith writer),coz there are too many helping book with me now..</p>
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		<title>By: usmana anyet</title>
		<link>http://www.pmhut.com/pmbok%c2%ae-guide-%e2%80%93-fourth-edition-changes/comment-page-1#comment-2089</link>
		<dc:creator>usmana anyet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WEll i was gona rush for 3rd edition but a news for 4th edition popped out. can anyone tell me from where i can earn PDU's living in DOha?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEll i was gona rush for 3rd edition but a news for 4th edition popped out. can anyone tell me from where i can earn PDU&#8217;s living in DOha?</p>
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		<title>By: REDDY</title>
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		<dc:creator>REDDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi 

Is there any Changes in Exam Patern after  PIMBOK - 4 th edition release.??

Pls advise .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi </p>
<p>Is there any Changes in Exam Patern after  PIMBOK - 4 th edition release.??</p>
<p>Pls advise .</p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was amazed when I first got into the depth of PM(BOK) 3rd edition at how badly written it was; it certainly did not inspire me that this was a piece of work that would greatly enlighten my project management.  I am SOOOO glad that PM(BOK) 4 edition fixes many of the problems I saw with edition 3 - mostly the flip flopping between verb-noun, noun-verb labels to processes, calling some documents by different names, and the default reference to .  In fact it was only when I drew the processes as a sequence of linked processes showing inputs and outputs did I see what a mess PM(BOK) edition 3 was.  I'm a great believer in a picture being worth a 1000 words.  PMBOK 3 had very few diagrams, I'm glad that PMBOK 4 has increased this and shows how the processes sit together more clearly BUT it's still many hundreds of pages of slow reading, drawn out verbage.  I think the next edition should focus on cutting down the BOK to the core structure and leave the meat / content to a subsection.

PM(BOK) still has a long way to go to make it a workable support to real projects.  At the moment it's still project management for project management's sake.  The best example to support my statement is this "The Fourth Edition has a new appendix on interpersonal skills. There was information that we felt was important to managing a project, but was not consistent with the intent of a standard. " - projects are MOSTLY about soft skills - manageing people.  People make things happen, it's the way things are done.  A methodology that doesn't include this at its core will be a finely oiled and designed machine that just doesn't work in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was amazed when I first got into the depth of PM(BOK) 3rd edition at how badly written it was; it certainly did not inspire me that this was a piece of work that would greatly enlighten my project management.  I am SOOOO glad that PM(BOK) 4 edition fixes many of the problems I saw with edition 3 - mostly the flip flopping between verb-noun, noun-verb labels to processes, calling some documents by different names, and the default reference to .  In fact it was only when I drew the processes as a sequence of linked processes showing inputs and outputs did I see what a mess PM(BOK) edition 3 was.  I&#8217;m a great believer in a picture being worth a 1000 words.  PMBOK 3 had very few diagrams, I&#8217;m glad that PMBOK 4 has increased this and shows how the processes sit together more clearly BUT it&#8217;s still many hundreds of pages of slow reading, drawn out verbage.  I think the next edition should focus on cutting down the BOK to the core structure and leave the meat / content to a subsection.</p>
<p>PM(BOK) still has a long way to go to make it a workable support to real projects.  At the moment it&#8217;s still project management for project management&#8217;s sake.  The best example to support my statement is this &#8220;The Fourth Edition has a new appendix on interpersonal skills. There was information that we felt was important to managing a project, but was not consistent with the intent of a standard. &#8221; - projects are MOSTLY about soft skills - manageing people.  People make things happen, it&#8217;s the way things are done.  A methodology that doesn&#8217;t include this at its core will be a finely oiled and designed machine that just doesn&#8217;t work in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: John Reiling</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Reiling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly suggest that if you can, take the exam using the 3rd Edition, before July 1, 2009.  The advantage is that it is mature in terms of the exam questions, expected results, complete training, grading.  Just like any new product or process, it will take some time to get the bugs out.  Also, there really is virtually nothing lost in terms of content, especially since you can study 4th Edition differences for PDUs after earning certification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly suggest that if you can, take the exam using the 3rd Edition, before July 1, 2009.  The advantage is that it is mature in terms of the exam questions, expected results, complete training, grading.  Just like any new product or process, it will take some time to get the bugs out.  Also, there really is virtually nothing lost in terms of content, especially since you can study 4th Edition differences for PDUs after earning certification.</p>
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		<title>By: casper</title>
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		<dc:creator>casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PMBOK’s Time Management Knowledge Area doesn’t contain any process areas from the Executing Group. Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PMBOK’s Time Management Knowledge Area doesn’t contain any process areas from the Executing Group. Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad Siddiqui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammad Siddiqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought the PMI guide 3rd edition last December. I did not have much time to prepare till now.How can I exchange the 3rd edition for the 4th, without paying the entire cost all over again?

Mohammad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought the PMI guide 3rd edition last December. I did not have much time to prepare till now.How can I exchange the 3rd edition for the 4th, without paying the entire cost all over again?</p>
<p>Mohammad</p>
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		<title>By: Simon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone with the book tell me what page the project management definition is on? I'd really appreciate it!

Thank you soo much!

Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone with the book tell me what page the project management definition is on? I&#8217;d really appreciate it!</p>
<p>Thank you soo much!</p>
<p>Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Nitin Phondekar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitin Phondekar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cynthia,

This is certainly a nice insight for what'z new in Fourth Edition. I was planning to attend Third Edition training this month which would give me a very littel time to prepare myself for examination in May. Do you advise people to jump into it in hurry and attempt it before May 09 or should we wait till June, attend the new edition training session and then attempt for the PMP certification?
Please suggest.

-Nitin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cynthia,</p>
<p>This is certainly a nice insight for what&#8217;z new in Fourth Edition. I was planning to attend Third Edition training this month which would give me a very littel time to prepare myself for examination in May. Do you advise people to jump into it in hurry and attempt it before May 09 or should we wait till June, attend the new edition training session and then attempt for the PMP certification?<br />
Please suggest.</p>
<p>-Nitin</p>
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		<title>By: Ann M. Tomalavage, P.E., PMP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann M. Tomalavage, P.E., PMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyndi, thank you for walking us through the changes.  I just got my copy, and I was a little confused about the differences.  Plus I was intimidated about plowing through 300+ pages to figure it out for myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyndi, thank you for walking us through the changes.  I just got my copy, and I was a little confused about the differences.  Plus I was intimidated about plowing through 300+ pages to figure it out for myself.</p>
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